Debunking the Fraudulent christian Apologist List of Extra-biblical but non-contemporary, claimed "sources" used as jesus "evidence." (Jewish, "Pagan," Non-christian, "Secular")

June 8, 2013

Debunking the Fraudulent christian Apologist List of Extra-biblical but non-contemporary, claimed “sources” used as jesus “evidence.” (Jewish, “Pagan,” Non-christian, “Secular”)

Christian apologists, leaders and followers, swear to have sources for fictional jesus, but how does it stack up against reality?

The Research:

Christian Apologist Jewish “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #1: Josephus

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtmtJioQ

Josephus mentioned at least 17 different jesus characters in his works, but none of them turned out to be the New Testament jesus of Nazareth

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQt1MVYm1f

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #2: Tacitus

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtnlKnN2

Tacitus’ Historical Testimonies of gods: Hercules, Mercury, Thor, Odin, Mars, Tyr, Isis, Nerthus, Tuisto, Wuotan and more.

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtnl6LJ2

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #3: Pliny the Younger

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtaPQK2v

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #4: Celsus - COMING SOON

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #5: Suetonius

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQt1mmkFV5

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #6: Lucian of Samosata

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQt1m-RJl8

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #7: Phlegon

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtaOoHyF

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #8: Thallus - COMING SOON

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #9: Mara Bar-Serapion - COMING SOON

Christian Apologist “Secular Source Evidence” for Historical jesus #10: Talmud - COMING SOON

Research Articles, Evidence and Videos that Prove a Historical jesus, NEVER Existed

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtmSTwHN

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ#Apologists.27_evidence

Non-Christian Testimony for Jesus? – From the authentic pen of lying Christian scribes !

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html

Lying for God – Copy and Glorify!

A Labyrinth of Deceit - Luminaries of Deception - The Forgery Mill

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lying.htm

41 Reasons We’re, Like, Totes Sure Jesus Existed!

People often ask me about Christian apologist James Bishop’s “41 Reasons Why Scholars Know Jesus Really Existed.” Because it’s the highest number of reasons anyone has attempted to claim (apart from the 10/42 apologetic, which Matthew Ferguson thoroughly annihilated).

Ten Reasons to Reject the Apologetic 10/42 Source Slogan

https://adversusapologetica.wordpress.com/2012/10/14/ten-reasons-to-reject-the-apologetic-1042-source-slogan/

When Do Contemporary or Early Sources Matter in Ancient History?

https://adversusapologetica.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/when-do-contemporary-sources-matter/

Knocking Out the Pillars of the “Minimal Facts” Apologetic

https://adversusapologetica.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/knocking-out-the-pillars-of-the-minimal-facts-apologetic/

Questioning the Plausibility of Jesus Ahistoricity Theories — A Brief Pseudo-Bayesian Metacritique of the Sources - Raphael Lataster

http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1053&context=imwjournal

Debunking the Evidence for a Historical Jesus, Part 1: Tacitus and the Talmud

http://jmcfarland.hubpages.com/hub/Debunking-the-Historical-Jesus-Part-1-Tacitus-and-the-Tallmud

Debunking the Evidence for a Historical Jesus, Part 2: “But We Have 24000 Manuscripts!”

http://jmcfarland.hubpages.com/hub/Debunking-the-Historical-Jesus-Part-2-But-We-Have-24000-Manuscripts

66 Famous Historians and Writers From The 1st and 2nd Century, Who Never Mentioned Fictional jesus – The Screaming Silence of Real History

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtnCiu1a

Refuting John Meier’s “Minor Figure jesus” claims and excuses, attempting to explain away the fact that nobody in Early Antiquity, mentioned jesus.

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtnIWMxg

The bible claims that fictional jesus was one of the Most Famous people of the 1st century, with tens of thousands of followers – The New Testament is the ONLY Source for jesus.

http://tmblr.co/ZkpfQtnIZY-h

This timeline shows the comparison of the NT’s fictional life of jesus and various claimed writings about him. Watch this video series, which debunks the “claimed secular evidence” of christian apologists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKcEz42MEmI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEYnCQDUo_c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywjLqWDVxEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAt-PAkgqls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avubLYDurPw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsNhuevoYs

Here is the whole series of 37 videos:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1D58C69D194384D2

~The Best christian apologists:

Josh McDowell’s “Evidence” for Jesus Is It Reliable? - Jeffery Jay Lowder

http://infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html

A Verdict on Josh McDowell - Gordon B. Hazen

http://users.iems.northwestern.edu/~hazen/McDowellRebuttal.html

http://timothybeushausen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/the_jury_is_in.pdf

42 claimed sources within 150 years after jesus’ death:

9 Traditional New Testament Authors: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Author of Hebrews, James, Peter, and Jude.

20 early christian writers, church fathers and christian leaders, outside the New Testament: Clement of Rome, 2 Clement, Ignatius, Polycarp, Martyrdom of Polycarp, Didache, Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, Fragments of Papias, Justin Martyr, Aristides, Athenagoras, Theophilus of Antioch, Quadratus, Aristo of Pella, Melito of Sardis, Diognetus, Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, and Epistula Apostolorum.

4 Heretical Writings: Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Truth, Apocryphon of John, and Treatise on Resurrection.

*9 Secular Sources: Josephus (Jewish historian), Tacitus (Roman historian), Pliny the Younger (Roman politician), Phlegon (freed slave who wrote histories), Lucian (Greek satirist), Celsus (Roman philosopher), Mara Bar Serapion (prisoner awaiting execution), Suetonius, and Thallus.

*They have abandoned the Talmud

http://carm.org/jesus-exist

*9 Secular Sources - They added the Talmud but have abandoned Phlegon.

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

*8 Secular Sources - They added the Talmud but have abandoned Celsus and Phlegon.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html

*12 Secular Sources - They added the Talmud and:

Galen (various writings, c.150)
Galerius (Second Cent.)

http://www.doxa.ws/Jesus_pages/HistJesus1.html

Simon Greenleaf - Jesus: Evidence, ancient historical sources - Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZhUrKiRGrQ

19 Pagan Writers?

Simon Greenleaf - Jesus: Evidence, ancient historical sources, Part II of II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5nA-JzIQ8I